#43341From:Stas Mishchenkov
To:Michiel van der Vlist
Date:19-02-2021 07:08:17
Subj:Ping
Hi Michiel!

Sunday February 14 2021 22:50, you wrote to me:

MvdV>>>>> If it did, you would not be reading this.

MvdV>>> So you have read it.

SM>> However, the for example, GoldEd does not allow writing something
SM>> below the tearline and disables it if the user does write.

MvdV> ---

MvdV> But it does. All you have to do is override the default invalidate. You
MvdV> yourself showed me how to do it.

It is not a tear line. Tear line is "--- ". ;)

Have a nice night.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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#43342From:Stas Mishchenkov
To:Michiel van der Vlist
Date:19-02-2021 07:11:26
Subj:Ping
Hi Michiel!

Monday February 15 2021 00:16, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

AV>> The author of PoC had some really good reasons to do that, n'est pas?

MvdV> I don't know who the author of PoC is and so I do not know his|her
MvdV> reasons. Nor do I know if these reasons are good or bad...

I don't understand why to do so that it can cause a problem, when it's easy to do so that the problem doesn't exist.

Have a nice night.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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#43343From:Stas Mishchenkov
To:Michiel van der Vlist
Date:19-02-2021 07:15:17
Subj:Ping
Hi Michiel!

Monday February 15 2021 12:21, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

MvdV> What I know is that such a hyphotecial robot runs on the system of
MvdV> the
MvdV> initiator of the PING. That is where the respons goes. If the initiator
MvdV> of the response insists on adding tearline en origin to the ping request
MvdV> while his hypothetical robot ca not deal with such a situation, he only
MvdV> has himself to blame.

MvdV> Origin lines are for echomail. They do not belong in netmail. Of couse
MvdV> it does not harm, but an origin line in netmail should simply be treated
MvdV> as text and never be "processed".

I would like to remind you of Murphy's Laws. ;)

Have a nice night.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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#43344From:Stas Mishchenkov
To:Karel Kral
Date:19-02-2021 07:18:12
Subj:Ping
Hi Karel!

Wednesday February 17 2021 07:08, you wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

MD>> Implementing a ping robot is a new desease. I also caught it and my
MD>> implementation was just 3 lines in RNtrack config.

KK> One line in crashmail prefs, but then 20 lines in bash.

KK> Maybe question: shall I limit for example 3 netmails per day per sender?

KK> It is more about common sense than FT* regulations.

KK> What if somebody sends email to all PING nodes at one time - as sender
KK> PING? ;-)

There will be nothing.

Have a nice night.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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#43345From:Michiel van der Vlist
To:Karel Kral
Date:19-02-2021 10:07:01
Subj:Ping
Hello Karel,

On Thursday February 18 2021 08:23, you wrote to me:

MV>> Could it be that your system does not process netmail from the
MV>> unsecure inbound?

KK> Insecure:

How?

KK> for that PING option I liked the idea that is "checking" normal
KK> NETMAIL path. Is that need to send it directly rather rare? FREQ
KK> (FILES, etc.) is working since a while (also from other systems), but
KK> then (usualy) NETMAILs are always going through my uplink.

What is "normal netmail path"? Fidonet was designed as a peer to peer network. In the very beginning mail was always delivered direct. Routing and the associated hierarchy was introduced to reduce cost. Now that the cost of direct delivery is virtually zero, why still use routing? Why make use of third parties that can delay the mail and meddle with it when there is no cost for direct delivery?

For me "normal" netmail path is "deliver as close to the destination as possible." Ever so often that is "direct".

KK> Trace: considering above, only my points can have advantage from trace
KK> then.

TRACE is in integral part of the PING specification. Don't look at me, I did not invent it. Trace is useful, but I never saw the need to make it compulsory when one supports PING. But that is what the spec says.. Oddly enough the system of the Lord Of The Pings does not support TRACE...


Cheers, Michiel

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#43346From:Michiel van der Vlist
To:Alexey Vissarionov
Date:19-02-2021 10:39:09
Subj:Ping
Hello Alexey,

On Thursday February 18 2021 23:00, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> My system happyly processes uncompressed netmail from the
MvdV>> unsecure inbound. No restrictions.

AV> Exploitable.

I consider the risk small and manageable.

The ironie is that he one and only mail bomb I ever recieved came in via the secure inbound. From my experience allowing access to the secure inbound is the greater risk...

Cheers, Michiel

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#43347From:Michiel van der Vlist
To:Stas Mishchenkov
Date:19-02-2021 10:49:17
Subj:Ping
Hello Stas,

On Friday February 19 2021 07:08, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> ---

MvdV>> But it does. All you have to do is override the default
MvdV>> invalidate. You yourself showed me how to do it.

SM> It is not a tear line. Tear line is "--- ". ;)

My Golded disagrees. Three dashes with or without a trailing space is treated as a tear line.


Cheers, Michiel

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#43348From:Michiel van der Vlist
To:Stas Mishchenkov
Date:19-02-2021 10:51:04
Subj:Ping
Hello Stas,

On Friday February 19 2021 07:11, you wrote to me:

AV>>> The author of PoC had some really good reasons to do that, n'est
AV>>> pas?

MvdV>> I don't know who the author of PoC is and so I do not know his|her
MvdV>> reasons. Nor do I know if these reasons are good or bad...

SM> I don't understand why to do so that it can cause a problem, when it's
SM> easy to do so that the problem doesn't exist.

In a couple of month I will be three quarters of a century old. A lot has happened that I do not understand. I have leaned to live with the fact that I do not understand everything.

I still do not understand what problems not invalidating tear lines and origin lines in ping responses may cause. I can live with that failure to understand.

Ping is an integral part of Fmail. I am not going to pressure the maintainer of Fmail to fix something that IMNSHO is not broken. And I am certainly not going to spend time and energy to fix it myself. Of course you are welcome to contact the maintainer of Fmail yourself and try to convince him. Good luck...


Cheers, Michiel

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#43349From:Michiel van der Vlist
To:Stas Mishchenkov
Date:19-02-2021 11:00:09
Subj:Ping
Hello Stas,

On Friday February 19 2021 07:15, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> Origin lines are for echomail. They do not belong in netmail.
MvdV>> Of couse it does not harm, but an origin line in netmail should
MvdV>> simply be treated as text and never be "processed".

SM> I would like to remind you of Murphy's Laws. ;)

You mean art 61?

Trying to fix what ain't broke will break it.


Cheers, Michiel

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#43350From:Ulrich Schroeter
To:All
Date:19-02-2021 12:07:16
Subj:Z2PNT compile state (19.02.2021)
;A Zone 2 Fidonet pointlist for Friday 19-Feb-2021 -- Day number 050 : 32860
;S
;S Pointlist DateTime modified Pointlist Keeper
;S --------- ------------------- ---------------------------------------
;S R20PNT 2021-02-18 23:01:00 RPK Tommi Koivula (2:221/360)
;S R24PNT 2021-02-18 19:01:16 RPK Ulrich Schroeter (2:240/1120)
;S R25PNT ---- NOT FOUND ---- RPK Vince Coen (2:250/1)
;S R28PNT 2021-02-19 00:01:02 RPK Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
;S R29PNT 2021-02-19 00:05:02 RPK Niels Joncheere (2:292/789)
;S R31PNT 2021-02-19 01:00:22 RPK Helmut Renner (2:31/0)
;S R33PNT 2021-02-19 01:00:06 RPK Fabio Bizzi (2:335/364)
;S R34PNT 2019-12-09 11:31:44 RPK Enric Lleal Serra (2:343/107)
;S R40PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R41PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R42PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R45PNT 2020-01-29 21:11:52 RPK Alexey Korotkov (2:455/19)
;S R46PNT 2021-02-18 14:00:06 RPK Dmitriy Polyakov (2:46/200)
;S R48PNT ---- NOT FOUND ---- RPK robert jakub (2:4800/42)
;S R50PNT 2021-02-19 05:11:06 RPK Evgeny Vetrov (2:50/4)
;S R56PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----

Every RPK who is interested in participating the Z2PNT
distribution, forwarding Regional Pointlist segments
not yet included in the Z2PNT list and in distributing
the Z2PNT list can contact me via netmail
to establish a link:
Ulrich Schroeter, 2:240/1120 (2:2/1003)


Z2PK

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