| #42911 | From: | Charles Pierson |
| To: | Michiel van der Vlist | |
| Date: | 17-10-2020 11:52:15 | |
| Subj: | Brexit |
Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
On 10/17/20 12:30 PM you wrote:
MV> Any EU member country can start an article 50 procedure and leave
MV> the EU. Germany can not stop that. But it would be very foolish
MV> for your country do do so.
I don't quite understand exactly what the EU is. Is it an economic organization, or is it a government?
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On 10/17/20 12:30 PM you wrote:
MV> Any EU member country can start an article 50 procedure and leave
MV> the EU. Germany can not stop that. But it would be very foolish
MV> for your country do do so.
I don't quite understand exactly what the EU is. Is it an economic organization, or is it a government?
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| #42912 | From: | Charles Pierson |
| To: | Michiel van der Vlist | |
| Date: | 17-10-2020 11:52:22 | |
| Subj: | Brexit |
Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
On 10/17/20 12:30 PM you wrote:
MV> Any EU member country can start an article 50 procedure and leave
MV> the EU. Germany can not stop that. But it would be very foolish
MV> for your country do do so.
I don't quite understand exactly what the EU is. Is it an economic organization, or is it a government?
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On 10/17/20 12:30 PM you wrote:
MV> Any EU member country can start an article 50 procedure and leave
MV> the EU. Germany can not stop that. But it would be very foolish
MV> for your country do do so.
I don't quite understand exactly what the EU is. Is it an economic organization, or is it a government?
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| #42913 | From: | Karel Kral |
| To: | Charles Pierson | |
| Date: | 18-10-2020 08:35:02 | |
| Subj: | Brexit |
Hello Charles!
17 Oct 20 17:51, you wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:
CP> I remember when I was in school in the 70's and 80's hearing about the
CP> EEC, but I kind of understood it as more an economic organization,
CP> something like they tried to do over here with NAFTA. But now it
CP> sounds more like a government of governments. I can understand the
CP> idea, I think.
My understanding is that membership in EU is showing dependency on ECB which means dictation of resources cost. Then there is obligation on EU export/import strategy and other obligations.
At the end - in reality means that rich country can buy small countries. (most of my country [industry] is owned by Germany, without having any german soldiers there. Most of resources we must buy via Germany even if produced locally).
Beside big one (no cooperation during that "pandemia") there are small failes like e.g. discussion about Summer-time-shift.
This is why I am looking forward to see UK. Recent years also showed to me that even if any country can initiate leaving procedure, is not so simple (seeing big player, UK).
Karel
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17 Oct 20 17:51, you wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:
CP> I remember when I was in school in the 70's and 80's hearing about the
CP> EEC, but I kind of understood it as more an economic organization,
CP> something like they tried to do over here with NAFTA. But now it
CP> sounds more like a government of governments. I can understand the
CP> idea, I think.
My understanding is that membership in EU is showing dependency on ECB which means dictation of resources cost. Then there is obligation on EU export/import strategy and other obligations.
At the end - in reality means that rich country can buy small countries. (most of my country [industry] is owned by Germany, without having any german soldiers there. Most of resources we must buy via Germany even if produced locally).
Beside big one (no cooperation during that "pandemia") there are small failes like e.g. discussion about Summer-time-shift.
This is why I am looking forward to see UK. Recent years also showed to me that even if any country can initiate leaving procedure, is not so simple (seeing big player, UK).
Karel
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| #42914 | From: | Karel Kral |
| To: | Gerrit Kuehn | |
| Date: | 18-10-2020 18:44:01 | |
| Subj: | Brexit |
Hello Gerrit!
18 Oct 20 11:02, you wrote to me:
KK>> buy via Germany even if produced locally).
GK> Any details on this? Never heard of that before...
(1st of all, please do not connect it with my person).
Imagine you need SAP consultancy, related to local law, the best local lang. You can have it for 600 EUR, but you have to buy it via .de mother company for 1000 EUR, which bought it from Prague for these 600.
just example
Karel
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18 Oct 20 11:02, you wrote to me:
KK>> buy via Germany even if produced locally).
GK> Any details on this? Never heard of that before...
(1st of all, please do not connect it with my person).
Imagine you need SAP consultancy, related to local law, the best local lang. You can have it for 600 EUR, but you have to buy it via .de mother company for 1000 EUR, which bought it from Prague for these 600.
just example
Karel
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| #42915 | From: | Charles Pierson |
| To: | Karel Kral | |
| Date: | 18-10-2020 13:04:13 | |
| Subj: | Brexit |
Hello, Karel Kral.
On 10/18/20 6:44 PM you wrote:
KK> Hello Gerrit! 18 Oct 20 11:02, you wrote to me:
KK>>> buy via Germany even if produced locally).
GK>> Any details on this? Never heard of that before...
KK> (1st of all, please do not connect it with my person). Imagine you
KK> need SAP consultancy, related to local law, the best local lang.
KK> You can have it for 600 EUR, but you have to buy it via .de mother
KK> company for 1000 EUR, which bought it from Prague for these 600.
KK> just example
SAP consultants..... I used to love messing with them.
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On 10/18/20 6:44 PM you wrote:
KK> Hello Gerrit! 18 Oct 20 11:02, you wrote to me:
KK>>> buy via Germany even if produced locally).
GK>> Any details on this? Never heard of that before...
KK> (1st of all, please do not connect it with my person). Imagine you
KK> need SAP consultancy, related to local law, the best local lang.
KK> You can have it for 600 EUR, but you have to buy it via .de mother
KK> company for 1000 EUR, which bought it from Prague for these 600.
KK> just example
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| #42916 | From: | Gerrit Kuehn |
| To: | Karel Kral | |
| Date: | 18-10-2020 18:58:05 | |
| Subj: | Brexit |
Hello Karel!
18 Oct 20 18:44, Karel Kral wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:
KK>>> buy via Germany even if produced locally).
GK>> Any details on this? Never heard of that before...
KK> (1st of all, please do not connect it with my person).
Sorry? Your claim, so who else should I ask?
KK> Imagine you need SAP consultancy, related to local law, the best
KK> local lang. You can have it for 600 EUR, but you have to buy it via
KK> .de mother company for 1000 EUR, which bought it from Prague for
KK> these 600.
So who /forces/ you to go through the mother company here? Is it EU law (if so: which one?), or rather the company itself? I'd expect the EU to guarantee "freedom to provide services", so this can only be a restriction imposed by the company itself?
Apart from that, I'd always try to avoid SAP...
Regards,
Gerrit
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18 Oct 20 18:44, Karel Kral wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:
KK>>> buy via Germany even if produced locally).
GK>> Any details on this? Never heard of that before...
KK> (1st of all, please do not connect it with my person).
Sorry? Your claim, so who else should I ask?
KK> Imagine you need SAP consultancy, related to local law, the best
KK> local lang. You can have it for 600 EUR, but you have to buy it via
KK> .de mother company for 1000 EUR, which bought it from Prague for
KK> these 600.
So who /forces/ you to go through the mother company here? Is it EU law (if so: which one?), or rather the company itself? I'd expect the EU to guarantee "freedom to provide services", so this can only be a restriction imposed by the company itself?
Apart from that, I'd always try to avoid SAP...
Regards,
Gerrit
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| #42917 | From: | Benny Pedersen |
| To: | Charles Pierson | |
| Date: | 17-10-2020 21:38:29 | |
| Subj: | Brexit |
Hello Charles!
17 Oct 2020 11:52, Charles Pierson wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:
CP> I don't quite understand exactly what the EU is. Is it an economic
CP> organization, or is it a government?
covid-19
but if you wishlist:
1: this is best of eu as it is, euro follows dkk so we do not loose anything here
2: goverment is just out of order in england :)
for number 2 uk should not had allowed so small numbers between yes or no to be legal election, if uk would have done it more secure it would be 60% needed for yes we would like to go out of eu, the scarry 50% now wants to stay ?
is there room for rethinking ?
Regards Benny
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17 Oct 2020 11:52, Charles Pierson wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:
CP> I don't quite understand exactly what the EU is. Is it an economic
CP> organization, or is it a government?
covid-19
but if you wishlist:
1: this is best of eu as it is, euro follows dkk so we do not loose anything here
2: goverment is just out of order in england :)
for number 2 uk should not had allowed so small numbers between yes or no to be legal election, if uk would have done it more secure it would be 60% needed for yes we would like to go out of eu, the scarry 50% now wants to stay ?
is there room for rethinking ?
Regards Benny
... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)
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| #42918 | From: | Benny Pedersen |
| To: | All | |
| Date: | 18-10-2020 15:38:04 | |
| Subj: | test |
Hello All!
Regards Benny
... too late to die young :)
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Regards Benny
... too late to die young :)
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| #42919 | From: | Karel Kral |
| To: | Gerrit Kuehn | |
| Date: | 18-10-2020 20:27:13 | |
| Subj: | Brexit |
Hello Gerrit!
18 Oct 20 18:58, you wrote to me:
GK> So who /forces/ you to go through the mother company
GK> here? Is it EU law (if so: which one?), or rather the
GK> company itself? I'd expect the EU to guarantee "freedom
GK> to provide services", so this can only be a restriction
GK> imposed by the company itself?
True, but It was not possible before EU (local law against downsizing taxes).
GK> Apart from that, I'd always try to avoid SAP...
True.
Karel
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18 Oct 20 18:58, you wrote to me:
GK> So who /forces/ you to go through the mother company
GK> here? Is it EU law (if so: which one?), or rather the
GK> company itself? I'd expect the EU to guarantee "freedom
GK> to provide services", so this can only be a restriction
GK> imposed by the company itself?
True, but It was not possible before EU (local law against downsizing taxes).
GK> Apart from that, I'd always try to avoid SAP...
True.
Karel
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| #42920 | From: | Ulrich Schroeter |
| To: | All | |
| Date: | 23-10-2020 12:08:25 | |
| Subj: | Z2PNT compile state (23.10.2020) |
;A Zone 2 Fidonet pointlist for Friday 23-Oct-2020 -- Day number 297 : 15738
;S
;S Pointlist DateTime modified Pointlist Keeper
;S --------- ------------------- ---------------------------------------
;S R20PNT 2020-10-22 23:01:00 RPK Tommi Koivula (2:221/360)
;S R24PNT 2020-10-22 18:59:14 RPK Ulrich Schroeter (2:240/1120)
;S R25PNT ---- NOT FOUND ---- RPK Vince Coen (2:250/1)
;S R28PNT 2020-10-23 00:01:02 RPK Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
;S R29PNT 2020-10-23 00:05:02 RPK Niels Joncheere (2:292/789)
;S R31PNT 2020-10-23 02:00:22 RPK Helmut Renner (2:31/0)
;S R33PNT 2020-10-23 01:00:06 RPK Fabio Bizzi (2:335/364)
;S R34PNT 2019-12-09 12:31:44 RPK Enric Lleal Serra (2:343/107)
;S R40PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R41PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R42PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R45PNT 2020-01-29 22:11:52 RPK Alexey Korotkov (2:455/19)
;S R46PNT 2020-10-22 14:00:08 RPK Dmitriy Polyakov (2:46/200)
;S R48PNT ---- NOT FOUND ---- RPK robert jakub (2:4800/42)
;S R50PNT 2020-10-23 06:10:06 RPK Evgeny Vetrov (2:50/4)
;S R56PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
Every RPK who is interested in participating the Z2PNT
distribution, forwarding Regional Pointlist segments
not yet included in the Z2PNT list and in distributing
the Z2PNT list can contact me via netmail
to establish a link:
Ulrich Schroeter, 2:240/1120 (2:2/1003)
Z2PK
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;S
;S Pointlist DateTime modified Pointlist Keeper
;S --------- ------------------- ---------------------------------------
;S R20PNT 2020-10-22 23:01:00 RPK Tommi Koivula (2:221/360)
;S R24PNT 2020-10-22 18:59:14 RPK Ulrich Schroeter (2:240/1120)
;S R25PNT ---- NOT FOUND ---- RPK Vince Coen (2:250/1)
;S R28PNT 2020-10-23 00:01:02 RPK Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
;S R29PNT 2020-10-23 00:05:02 RPK Niels Joncheere (2:292/789)
;S R31PNT 2020-10-23 02:00:22 RPK Helmut Renner (2:31/0)
;S R33PNT 2020-10-23 01:00:06 RPK Fabio Bizzi (2:335/364)
;S R34PNT 2019-12-09 12:31:44 RPK Enric Lleal Serra (2:343/107)
;S R40PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R41PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R42PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
;S R45PNT 2020-01-29 22:11:52 RPK Alexey Korotkov (2:455/19)
;S R46PNT 2020-10-22 14:00:08 RPK Dmitriy Polyakov (2:46/200)
;S R48PNT ---- NOT FOUND ---- RPK robert jakub (2:4800/42)
;S R50PNT 2020-10-23 06:10:06 RPK Evgeny Vetrov (2:50/4)
;S R56PNT ---- NOT FOUND ----
Every RPK who is interested in participating the Z2PNT
distribution, forwarding Regional Pointlist segments
not yet included in the Z2PNT list and in distributing
the Z2PNT list can contact me via netmail
to establish a link:
Ulrich Schroeter, 2:240/1120 (2:2/1003)
Z2PK
---
* Origin: AMBROSIA - Bad Ueberkingen - Germany - Europe (2:240/1120)
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