| #43161 | From: | Wilfred van Velzen |
| To: | Ward Dossche | |
| Date: | 15-01-2021 13:03:03 | |
| Subj: | Re: Nlcheck report |
Hi Ward,
On 2021-01-15 12:46:55, you wrote to me:
Wv>> Compared to the previous report there are 3 systems less in the list,
Wv>> and one added a PING flag to it's listing (test is underway)...
WD> Is this nodelist policing really necessary?
What is your objection against higher quality content in the nodelist? As a ZC you should welcome any initiative that helps that goal!?
Bye, Wilfred.
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On 2021-01-15 12:46:55, you wrote to me:
Wv>> Compared to the previous report there are 3 systems less in the list,
Wv>> and one added a PING flag to it's listing (test is underway)...
WD> Is this nodelist policing really necessary?
What is your objection against higher quality content in the nodelist? As a ZC you should welcome any initiative that helps that goal!?
Bye, Wilfred.
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| #43162 | From: | Benny Pedersen |
| To: | Ward Dossche | |
| Date: | 16-01-2021 02:16:14 | |
| Subj: | Re: Nlcheck report |
Hello Ward!
15 Jan 2021 12:46, Ward Dossche wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
Wv>> Compared to the previous report there are 3 systems less in the list,
Wv>> and one added a PING flag to it's listing (test is underway)...
WD> Is this nodelist policing really necessary?
what is really needed ?
better nodelist with utf8 ?
/me hiddes
Regards Benny
... too late to die young :)
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15 Jan 2021 12:46, Ward Dossche wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
Wv>> Compared to the previous report there are 3 systems less in the list,
Wv>> and one added a PING flag to it's listing (test is underway)...
WD> Is this nodelist policing really necessary?
what is really needed ?
better nodelist with utf8 ?
/me hiddes
Regards Benny
... too late to die young :)
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| #43163 | From: | Benny Pedersen |
| To: | Wilfred van Velzen | |
| Date: | 16-01-2021 02:18:06 | |
| Subj: | Re: Nlcheck report |
Hello Wilfred!
15 Jan 2021 13:03, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Ward Dossche:
WvV> What is your objection against higher quality content in the
WvV> nodelist? As a ZC you should welcome any initiative that helps that
WvV> goal!?
as i read w@rd here there is no goall at all
not even errflags needs any love any more
Regards Benny
... too late to die young :)
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15 Jan 2021 13:03, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Ward Dossche:
WvV> What is your objection against higher quality content in the
WvV> nodelist? As a ZC you should welcome any initiative that helps that
WvV> goal!?
as i read w@rd here there is no goall at all
not even errflags needs any love any more
Regards Benny
... too late to die young :)
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| #43164 | From: | Ward Dossche |
| To: | Wilfred van Velzen | |
| Date: | 16-01-2021 15:55:06 | |
| Subj: | Re: Nlcheck report |
Wilfred,
Wv>WD> Is this nodelist policing really necessary?
Wv> What is your objection against higher quality content in the nodelist? As
Wv> a ZC you should welcome any initiative that helps that goal!?
Objection? Where?
I'm just wondering about the necessity to insult another nodelist submitter somewhere by suggesting he/she isn't doing his/her job and you need to verify this.
As an addition, it's always amusing when people start calling me the ZC when they have a point to push.
\%/@rd
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Wv>WD> Is this nodelist policing really necessary?
Wv> What is your objection against higher quality content in the nodelist? As
Wv> a ZC you should welcome any initiative that helps that goal!?
Objection? Where?
I'm just wondering about the necessity to insult another nodelist submitter somewhere by suggesting he/she isn't doing his/her job and you need to verify this.
As an addition, it's always amusing when people start calling me the ZC when they have a point to push.
\%/@rd
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| #43165 | From: | Karel Kral |
| To: | Ward Dossche | |
| Date: | 17-01-2021 19:14:27 | |
| Subj: | Nlcheck report |
Hello Ward!
16 Jan 21 15:55, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
WD> I'm just wondering about the necessity to insult another nodelist
WD> submitter somewhere by suggesting he/she isn't doing his/her job and
WD> you need to verify this.
Was it already considered in the past to use email as an trasport layer?
Karel
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16 Jan 21 15:55, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
WD> I'm just wondering about the necessity to insult another nodelist
WD> submitter somewhere by suggesting he/she isn't doing his/her job and
WD> you need to verify this.
Was it already considered in the past to use email as an trasport layer?
Karel
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| #43166 | From: | Ward Dossche |
| To: | Karel Kral | |
| Date: | 17-01-2021 22:44:01 | |
| Subj: | Re: Nlcheck report |
Karel,
KK> Was it already considered in the past to use email as an trasport layer?
Yes ... since April 15th 1999.
I've serviced some downlinks that way, until recently Homrighausen had such a link here. I also service FTP-links.
\%/@rd
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KK> Was it already considered in the past to use email as an trasport layer?
Yes ... since April 15th 1999.
I've serviced some downlinks that way, until recently Homrighausen had such a link here. I also service FTP-links.
\%/@rd
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| #43167 | From: | Alexey Vissarionov |
| To: | Karel Kral | |
| Date: | 18-01-2021 03:33:00 | |
| Subj: | Nlcheck report |
Good ${greeting_time}, Karel!
17 Jan 2021 19:14:54, you wrote to Ward Dossche:
WD>> I'm just wondering about the necessity to insult another nodelist
WD>> submitter somewhere by suggesting he/she isn't doing his/her job
WD>> and you need to verify this.
KK> Was it already considered in the past to use email as an trasport
KK> layer?
We (here in R50) are about to make that (email nodes) comply to some unified rules to submit a standart proposal (FSP).
Also, we are ready to commit a "secure binkp" proposal, but... I'd prefer to wait well before the beginning of a civil war in Z1.
Anyway, who cares? :-)
--
Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii
... that's why I really dislike fools.
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17 Jan 2021 19:14:54, you wrote to Ward Dossche:
WD>> I'm just wondering about the necessity to insult another nodelist
WD>> submitter somewhere by suggesting he/she isn't doing his/her job
WD>> and you need to verify this.
KK> Was it already considered in the past to use email as an trasport
KK> layer?
We (here in R50) are about to make that (email nodes) comply to some unified rules to submit a standart proposal (FSP).
Also, we are ready to commit a "secure binkp" proposal, but... I'd prefer to wait well before the beginning of a civil war in Z1.
Anyway, who cares? :-)
--
Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii
... that's why I really dislike fools.
--- /bin/vi
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| #43168 | From: | Nick Andre |
| To: | Alexey Vissarionov | |
| Date: | 17-01-2021 20:06:13 | |
| Subj: | Re: Nlcheck report |
On 18 Jan 21 03:33:00, Alexey Vissarionov said the following to Karel Kral:
AV> Also, we are ready to commit a "secure binkp" proposal, but... I'd prefer t
AV> wait well before the beginning of a civil war in Z1.
Why would there be a "civil war" in Z1?
Nick
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AV> Also, we are ready to commit a "secure binkp" proposal, but... I'd prefer t
AV> wait well before the beginning of a civil war in Z1.
Why would there be a "civil war" in Z1?
Nick
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| #43169 | From: | Karel Kral |
| To: | Ward Dossche | |
| Date: | 18-01-2021 07:49:26 | |
| Subj: | Nlcheck report |
Hello Ward!
17 Jan 21 22:44, you wrote to me:
WD> I've serviced some downlinks that way, until recently Homrighausen had
WD> such a link here. I also service FTP-links.
Ah, ok. FTP sounds even more natural.
I understood it like then is more about agreement between uplink/downlink.
Karel
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17 Jan 21 22:44, you wrote to me:
WD> I've serviced some downlinks that way, until recently Homrighausen had
WD> such a link here. I also service FTP-links.
Ah, ok. FTP sounds even more natural.
I understood it like then is more about agreement between uplink/downlink.
Karel
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| #43170 | From: | Benny Pedersen |
| To: | Ward Dossche | |
| Date: | 18-01-2021 07:11:21 | |
| Subj: | Re: Nlcheck report |
Hello Ward!
17 Jan 2021 22:44, Ward Dossche wrote to Karel Kral:
WD> I've serviced some downlinks that way, until recently Homrighausen had
WD> such a link here. I also service FTP-links.
good to see dbridge now take the job of badness from irex :)
Regards Benny
... too late to die young :)
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17 Jan 2021 22:44, Ward Dossche wrote to Karel Kral:
WD> I've serviced some downlinks that way, until recently Homrighausen had
WD> such a link here. I also service FTP-links.
good to see dbridge now take the job of badness from irex :)
Regards Benny
... too late to die young :)
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